Those clowns really cloud the issue that is actually worthy of discussion. They think they're gonna get some dogs with that whistle but they just look like douches.
There are a few reports coming in from this thread. I'm open to changing my mind on any of the following, but the reason why I haven't taken action on a few of the reports is as follows:
I think that it is both valid to question why these people are covering their faces, while also noting that covering your face isn't "bad" in all cases. The same comment ("if they think they're right, why hide their faces") is also used against protestors when they push against the government. Based on the context, I think that's the point that the other users in this thread wanted to make, but did so poorly. I don't think those other users are in support of the white nationalists in the post, but rather they picked a bad example.
The difference between the two situations comes down to why the face is covered and what power that serves. Generally: - In rallies such as this, the face covering is for intimidation and group identity, and using anonymity to threaten the targeted minority group. It is also intended to hide the person from their community members, because of shame and embarrassment. - In protests, the face covering is to avoid retaliation from the authority figures that the person is protesting against. They rarely hide their thoughts and feelings about the matter from their community members.
Again, there is some overlap, but that it is why it's usually more valid to criticize the former and not the latter.
As for the second argument, I think there is a misunderstanding between 'human trafficking' and 'human smuggling'. Human trafficking is almost always defined as the exploitative practice, where the person being moved is being harmed. Human smuggling can take different forms, but it is not necessarily harming the person being moved. The example of the Underground Railroad and the networks that help refugees and victims escape harm, those would fall under the label of "Human Smuggling", but the terms are often confused.
So overall I think the issues in this thread come from users making errors, rather than malice, and so I haven't taken specific moderation actions. But again, open to changing my mind and taking action if more info is brought to light.
Seriously though I hate that these cunts are everywhere. Not many presently but I suspect it's a drip / trickle / flow thing. They grab on to genuine social problems and distort them to match their own ends.
Truth and reconciliation is an ongoing process of uncovering painful historical wrongs committed by a government or dominant society, acknowledging the truth, and working to repair broken relationships. - Wikipedia
The town of Kamloops was where one of the most recent unveilings of atrocities of the residential school system. It was a program to "help" the indigenous people adjust to the colonial usurpation of their lands and way of life.
What it actually resulted in massive mistreatment, atrocities, genocide, and erasure of the students in their care.
A site in Kamloops recently(inside the last 15 years) was revealed to have found another 50 ish bodies that were hidden.
The holiday truth and reconciliation was created a few years ago to acknowledge the problem and it was a big deal because it also was the first time the government of Canada officially acknowledged it
I think it's something to do with the day the Truth and Reconciliation crashed into the Halo, accidentally releasing the flood. Edit: I kept reading and it's not that.
They should grab up all of those nazi's and force them into a federal re-education camp! Also, sterilize each and every one of them! Maybe they won't be so quick to protest once they've learned a bit of history.
Unrelated thought process. You know those youtube videos that are like "how many dinner plates does it take to stop a .50 BMG" and they start with like a .22lr and work up. Yeah, but not related at all to the lined up nazis.
Gotta admire the amount of sociopathic genetic and socioeconomic factors that play into an enduring force behind slavery and colonialism on full display in USA and Canada. To fight a war to keep slavery that led to millions of deaths shows that their whole identity as a human is based on their ability to inflict harm and suffering on other humans to the point to die to preserve that institution of suffering.
It's too late now, we already showed them they could march across the whole country and terrorize a city for weeks without repercussions. We need to take more action, absolutely, but I wouldn't call this one a small or easy flame to take out anymore.
The Big Three news outlets in Canada pretty much ignored this story until the Kamloops local paper and social media picked it up. Now they're all over it, pretending they were there first.
And they're all missing the crucial point.
Second Sons are working very hard to stick to the rule of law, while instilling fear. They're showing up in groups like this in smaller communities. They're not in Calgary or Toronto or Vancouver, they're north of Edmonton, or Orillia or Millarville.
They show up, dress to intimidate, act to intimidate, but don't actually threaten. They post overt dogwhistle slogans, "Je me souviens d'un Quebec blanc" or "Indian trucks kill canucks") which they could plausibly explain away as something else, if forced to stand on trial.
They're getting bolder, which means they're going to try to goad their victims into acting. They'll obey the RCMP or local police (if the force is sufficient) without hesitation because as long as they keep showing up, as long as they keep scaring people, as long as they are able to avoid consequences for their actions, they'll be able to hurt some people and recruit others.
They need to be driven out by the people every time they show their...well not faces, but cowardly masks. They need to be not shot or injured, but maybe detained until the police can unmask and identify them by name.
We need to publish their names. We need (and I can't believe I would ever say this) to doxx them - to make them fear for their lives if they keep threatening society.
We need to break the back of their movement, and the media isn't helping one goddamn bit.
Rachel Gilmore does fantastic journalist coverage and a great job of calling out specific names and people associated with it. She has been threatened quite brazenly for it, but she's also a badass that continues to do it. We need more Rachels.
Huron County Nationalists. 10 followers Β· 1 talking about this. "Without a deadly hatred of that which threatens to destroy what we love, love is an empty catch phrase, a meaningless platitude for...
While I dislike what those individuals stand for, their attitude and their ignorance, I do not think violence towards them will change things for better but rather aggravate things.
One has to look at the root of the problem. Why are they angry etc.? Fact that we have vast economic disparity within our society breeds this kind of behavior. When resources are plenty and everyone gets their fair share and doesn't need to live loan-to-loan people don't usually care about exclusion of others (well, there are always zealots with loose screws) and those movements to not gain traction. Look at fascism in last century: it has risen on the back of economic collapse of society when it became easy to accept "you can't eat because he took your food" kind of messaging.
Bottom line to stamp out those thugs we need to change our society drastically with a sharp turn left but we're keep on veering to the right with each election, which will end up in violence one way or another. Someone however has to be focused on the target though: political and economic system in Canada is broken and needs to be rebuilt, until then we will be miserable and thugs will proliferate
No, fucking kill them. That's how you stomp them out. Kill every one of them and keep killing until they stop. And then kill a few more to hammer it home.
I guess you didn't grow up in one of these racist, white nationalist families. As someone who did, your whole blame shifting scenario is absurd. My uncles believe they have a birthright as white men. And they are violently furious that they aren't thriving, at the top of the food chain. Obviously they are proudly MAGA. Of course they aren't thriving, lol, we're not from Texas, Kansas or Nebraska. Their racism ( and sexism) is at insane levels that I guess you can't even fathom.. The loudest laughter I ever heard at a family gathering came when my uncle told this joke: "I don't have a problem with N@##@rs, I think everyone should own one." Ha ha ha. There is no nuance here. To older men in my family, if you are a (stupid, because they all are) women, gay, or brown, or liberal, or Jewish, Muslim or atheist....you are filth. And any suggestion that you are equal deserves immediate, violent response. Sound crazy? Lucky you. I know from experience that kind of family and upbringing is not rare, or strange. It's rampant. Just pick a random American church to visit. The "root", as you say of the problem, is that they are terrible people, completely lacking character. They should be disenfranchised, sterilized and have their children taken from them. That's right. I said it. Democracy can't work if people that mean and stupid can vote. RFK and Trump are what you get if you don't have the stomach for stomping on cockroaches. We need a " Great Proletarian Cultural Democratic Revolution" The USA failed at reconstruction and needs to take another crack at it in earnest. Nationalize Palantir. Stamp out the Idiocracy future.
They have always been angry. They hate minorities, change, acceptance, reason, etc. You can protest corruption, stagnation, crime, illegal immigration, etc without masks, without fear, without intimidation. These people are not healthy or normal for a functional society.
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•My favourite Nazis are 6 feet under. These clowns should join them.
Fuck Nazis. Fuck fascism. Fuck these cowards.
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Iβll be a lot more concerned if and when they become so comfortable they donβt hide under masks anymore.
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•There are a few reports coming in from this thread. I'm open to changing my mind on any of the following, but the reason why I haven't taken action on a few of the reports is as follows:
I think that it is both valid to question why these people are covering their faces, while also noting that covering your face isn't "bad" in all cases. The same comment ("if they think they're right, why hide their faces") is also used against protestors when they push against the government. Based on the context, I think that's the point that the other users in this thread wanted to make, but did so poorly. I don't think those other users are in support of the white nationalists in the post, but rather they picked a bad example.
The difference between the two situations comes down to why the face is covered and what power that serves. Generally:
- In rallies such as this, the face covering is for intimidation and group identity, and using anonymity to threaten the targeted minority group. It is also intended to hide the person from their community members, because of shame and embarrassment.
- In protests, the face covering is to avoid retaliation from the authority figures that the person is protesting against. They rarely hide their thoughts and feelings about the matter from their community members.
Again, there is some overlap, but that it is why it's usually more valid to criticize the former and not the latter.
As for the second argument, I think there is a misunderstanding between 'human trafficking' and 'human smuggling'. Human trafficking is almost always defined as the exploitative practice, where the person being moved is being harmed. Human smuggling can take different forms, but it is not necessarily harming the person being moved. The example of the Underground Railroad and the networks that help refugees and victims escape harm, those would fall under the label of "Human Smuggling", but the terms are often confused.
So overall I think the issues in this thread come from users making errors, rather than malice, and so I haven't taken specific moderation actions. But again, open to changing my mind and taking action if more info is brought to light.
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•"there's dozens of them"
perhaps two dozen by my count!
Seriously though I hate that these cunts are everywhere. Not many presently but I suspect it's a drip / trickle / flow thing. They grab on to genuine social problems and distort them to match their own ends.
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•(And why do these masked asshats even exist,...but I digress)
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•The town of Kamloops was where one of the most recent unveilings of atrocities of the residential school system. It was a program to "help" the indigenous people adjust to the colonial usurpation of their lands and way of life.
What it actually resulted in massive mistreatment, atrocities, genocide, and erasure of the students in their care.
A site in Kamloops recently(inside the last 15 years) was revealed to have found another 50 ish bodies that were hidden.
The holiday truth and reconciliation was created a few years ago to acknowledge the problem and it was a big deal because it also was the first time the government of Canada officially acknowledged it
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•Edit: I kept reading and it's not that.
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You guys need to snuff this flame out now. Whether through serious jail time, or even feeding them to the bears
Donβt let the weed take root, otherwise youβll wind up like the U.S.
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•The Big Three news outlets in Canada pretty much ignored this story until the Kamloops local paper and social media picked it up. Now they're all over it, pretending they were there first.
And they're all missing the crucial point.
Second Sons are working very hard to stick to the rule of law, while instilling fear. They're showing up in groups like this in smaller communities. They're not in Calgary or Toronto or Vancouver, they're north of Edmonton, or Orillia or Millarville.
They show up, dress to intimidate, act to intimidate, but don't actually threaten. They post overt dogwhistle slogans, "Je me souviens d'un Quebec blanc" or "Indian trucks kill canucks") which they could plausibly explain away as something else, if forced to stand on trial.
They're getting bolder, which means they're going to try to goad their victims into acting. They'll obey the RCMP or local police (if the force is sufficient) without hesitation because as long as they keep showing up, as long as they keep scaring people, as long as they are able to avoid consequences for their actions, they'll be able to hurt some people and recruit others.
They need to be driven out by the people every time they show their...well not faces, but cowardly masks. They need to be not shot or injured, but maybe detained until the police can unmask and identify them by name.
We need to publish their names. We need (and I can't believe I would ever say this) to doxx them - to make them fear for their lives if they keep threatening society.
We need to break the back of their movement, and the media isn't helping one goddamn bit.
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Curious...
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•There's a group like that in Southern Ontario that call themselves NS-13, or Nationalist 13
They've had a few get togethers showing off their banners, but only ever last about 15 minutes before they fuck off or police show up.
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•While I dislike what those individuals stand for, their attitude and their ignorance, I do not think violence towards them will change things for better but rather aggravate things.
One has to look at the root of the problem. Why are they angry etc.? Fact that we have vast economic disparity within our society breeds this kind of behavior. When resources are plenty and everyone gets their fair share and doesn't need to live loan-to-loan people don't usually care about exclusion of others (well, there are always zealots with loose screws) and those movements to not gain traction. Look at fascism in last century: it has risen on the back of economic collapse of society when it became easy to accept "you can't eat because he took your food" kind of messaging.
Bottom line to stamp out those thugs we need to change our society drastically with a sharp turn left but we're keep on veering to the right with each election, which will end up in violence one way or another. Someone however has to be focused on the target though: political and economic system in Canada is broken and needs to be rebuilt, until then we will be miserable and thugs will proliferate
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•No, fucking kill them. That's how you stomp them out. Kill every one of them and keep killing until they stop. And then kill a few more to hammer it home.
You do not suffer a nazi.
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